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Mr. Dalbir Singh you are doing a great job because you are awaring to the peoples about worst political system.we really like it.

Thanks
Tej Cheema
New York

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siqnwm isMG sivtzrlYNf

merry cristmas and a very happy new year

fw: srijMdr isMG, XU ky

Word Siva appears in Guru Granth Sahib only once as Khosa ji has rightly pointed out on page 873. the line is just three words: Siva skti sambadag (isvw skiq sMbwdM)

Siva in this line does not mean Akal Purkh but the mythological god Shiv. The meaning given by Prof. Sahib Singh in Guru Granth Darpan is as follows:

Siva Sakti Sambad - Mutual conversation between god Shiv and Parbati, i.e. Ramayan. It is said that Shiv ji had narrated the entire episode of Ramayan to Parbati even before the episode happened.

Siva Sakti Sambadang. Man Shode Sagal Bhedang. Simar Simar Gobindang. Bhaj Nama Taras Bhav Sindhang.

Meaning: O my mind! the recitation of Ramayan etc. ( abandon these rituals. All these are such as would separate you from God. O Namdev, remember Gobind, remember Prabhu, (on remembering God alone) you would swim across the ocean of worldly existence.

The compound word Siv-Sakti appears about 11 times in Guru Granth Sahib. In one case it means mythological god Shiv and his powers (page 883) in the form of Ridhi Sidhis(see Guru Granth Darpan, Prof. Sahib Singh for meaning). In the remaining 10 cases Siv means individual soul of human beings (Atama not Paramatma) and Sakti means Maya. Again and again in these lines the idea conveyed by Guruji using this compound word is that first God created the human body from the blood of the mother (Rakat) and the seed (Bindu) of father then in it placed Siv ( the Jeevatma - human soul) and combined it with the Maya ( Siv Sakti da mail). Nowhere Siv is used as meaning God Akal Purkh. (Notice, God Akal Purkh is the placer in body of Siv an object the human soul). If Siva means a human soul (Jeevatma according to Prof. Sahib Singh) why should Guru Gobind Singh ji pray to a human Atama as Siv or Siva and not to Pamatma in Deh Siva bar mohe ihe,,, ?

Thus respecting Khosa ji's scholarly background I am again just trying to understand how word Siva in Deh Siva Bar Mohe ihe refers to God Akal Purkh and not to goddess wife of Shivji (Chandi) or to mythological Shivji itself.

Khosa ji has referred to Mahan Kosh. Under meanings for Siva the very first entry refers ro Chandi Chritar, the same composition where Deh Siva line appears. The meaning given is:

Siva. noun. Shiva, noun, Shiv's wife Durga, Parvati "Dhar Dhian Man Siva Ko Takki Puri Kailas" (Chandi 1).

The line "Dhar Dhian Man Siva Ko Taki Puri Kailas (Dwr iDAwn mn isvw ko qkI purI kYlws) refers to the story of Chandi Charitar when the Daityas defeated the mythological gods (Vishnu, Brahma, Indar, etc) after a fight lasting five thousand years the gods contemplated making a request for help to goddess Siva (who lived on mount Kailash as wife of god Shiv and hence called Siva or Shiva).

I feel with due respect that Khosa ji is trying to stretch imagination to make us believe that Siva in this is not goddess but Akal Purakh Waheguru. Khosa ji, no rhetoric please but solid evidence.

Dr Serjinder Singh UK

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Satsri Akaal !

It is a sad chapter in history of Punjab and the politics of Punjab. After the most unfortunate years of militancy and corrupt activities of the Akaali government, there was a little ray of light at the end of tunnel that
something will be done to eradicate the corruption from Punjab. I have recently visited India and out of nine states I have visited (in my opinion) Punjab was third after Bihar and UP in corruption. Even  though Punjab is supposed to be richest state in India, morally it looks the poorest state. I have no political preference between Akaalis or Congress, but Badal out of two leaders is definitely more corrupt, selfish and conning. He is using Sikh religion, sentiments of innocent  people and SGPC for personnel gains.

As far as Congress goes the current situation is so embarrassing and laughable for the Punjab and  every Punjabi. People like Bibi Bhathal are so narrow minded and selfish that they are not even fit for calling themselves Punjabi's. The CM's chair is everything to her and for that reason she will do anything. It is even more shameful of the people who are behind her just hoping to get a ministerial seat. Is any of these thinking of Punjab at all??. The saying that "Ik Libri majh baakee saarian noo liber dindee hai" is 100% true for Bibi Bhathal, who has managed to drag all these like minded people into this political mud with her. I hope she realizes that if (and as soon as) she manages to pull Punjab (Congress) government down and give Mr. Baadal another chance for repeat of last five years, she will be on the other side of the fence and probably in same room in Ptiala where Skhbir Badal was a few days ago. Bibi Ji Just ask your self what did you achieve when last time you was the leader?????????????.

To all the heartless politicians of Punjab:- "Please stop destroying the PUNJAB for petty selfish reasons".

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This very much true that Mr. Amarinder Singh has managed to unmask the corrupt and selfish faces behind the relegio-politcal Akaali Dal and has failed to unmask the corrupt people within the Congress party. We should be thankful to him that at least he has opened the door of this big corrupt Badal kingdom. The  whole drama now being played in Delhi, by these so called baagi congressmen is in a fear of the same hand reaching to their own necks. They are not crying for Punjab but their own corrupt skin. If they had any love for Punjab they could have resolved any of the party differences in Chandigarh instead of lowering themselves to the state off wagging their tails in front of congress high command, who in itself is nothing more than a life-less skeleton.

M. S. Dhaliwal.

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ruipMdrpwl isMG, XU: ky:

Dear All,

Although I have been speaking Punjabi as a second language all my life, I never had a formal Punjabi education, so am self taught. I am embarking on writing a short story, but am likely to make grammer and spelling mistakes, with this english thinking mind. Please can someone help check my spellings anf grammer via e-mail correpondance? I would really like to be able write in Punjabi. I do not know of anyone born in the west trying to tell the story of our generation and their experinces in Punjabi. I have taught myself Gurumukhi and use Anmolipi fonts. Please is there anyone willing to help?
Rupe rdhillon@cmedltd.com

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'isAwlkot' pMjwb dw pRis`D ngr hY qy kwdrXwr dI 'sIhrPI' pMjwbI ivc pMjwbIAW leI ilKI geI[ies qrHW mwq-pu`qR ivBcwr dI ies ivSv pRc`lq pRwcIn khwxI dy BwrqI rUpWqR nUM sQwink pCokV kvI ny id`qw hY[ 'pUrn' nwm vwsqivk rMg hY, ikauN ik ieh iek Awm pMjwbI nwm hY, Aqy 'Swlvwhn' rwjw BwrqI ieiqhws ivc hoieAw qW hY, pr 'isAwlkot' ausdI rwjDwnI nhIN sI, Aqy nw ausdw invws AsQwn[AYvyN rwj pRbMD kyNdr sI, ijvyN pSOr mhwrwjw rxjIq isMG dw sI, pr kwdrXwr dw mMqv kyvl ies jgq pRis`D qy ivSv pRc`lq ik`sy nUM ieiqhwsk rMg dyxw sI, qW ju ausdI kwiv-rcnw dw mwXw jwl AslI ho Bwsy, jo ik hr klw dw mu`K mMqv huMdw hY[ies qoN ieh Anumwnxw ik mhwrwjw Swlvwhn, ijs qoN ik A`j qoN 1880 vrHy pihloN Swkw sMmq AwrMB hoieAw Aqy ijsdI rwjDwnI pRiqSTwn (d`Kx) sI, auh isAwlkot rihMdw sI qy lUxw cimAwrI ivAwh ilAwieAw sI, iek BwrI Bu`l hovygI qy Anumwnx vwly dI Aiv`idAw dw sbUq BI"[

isrdwr kpUr isMG jI ies lyK ivc iehI smJwauNdy hn, ik dsm gRMQ swihb nUM smJx leI BwSw dy nwl nwl swihq klw Byd, rcnw Byd, ieiqhws jW mnoklpq hY, sY�-jIvnI jW sY�-ikRq hY, swihq jW gurbwxI hY, dy Prk nUM smJxw zrUrI hY, Aqy smW sQwn dI qbdIlI nwl lPz, Drm jW kOmI pRIvrqn BI ho jWdw hY[iesy kmzorI nUM lYky hI keI vyr ArSoN PrS qy if`gx vwlI hwlq bx jWdI hY[

ieQy ku`J lweInW fw. hrBjn isMG jI pitAwlw dIAW ilKxIAW BI zrUrI hn, qW ik dsm-gRMQ swihb bwry BulyiKAW dy swgr ivc if`k foly KWdI byVI iknwry l`gx jogI hovy:_ "hkIkq ivc dsm-gRMQ bwxI dw AwSw-audyS gurU gRMQ swihb nwl iek rUp qW hY, iek smwn nhIN[ hr Drm dy do mu`K AMg hn:_ iek ausdI AiDAwqimkqw Aqy dUjw ausdw sMgTnwqimk srUp[swmI DrmW dI ieh siQqI hY, ik ieh dovyN AMg Drm gRMQW ivc pUrI qrHW rlgf hn[ sMgTnwqimk ivDI-ivDwn dw pwln krn vwlw hI aus Drm ivSys dI AiDAwqimkqw nwl sMbMiDq ho skdw hY, hwlWik XhUdI Drm dw nzrIAw eIsweIAq qy ieslwm nwloN ies p`KoN izAwdw audwrvwdI mMnx ivc koeI sm`isAw nhIN[vYidk Drm ivc AiDAwqimk igAwn Aqy DrmwvlMbIAw dw Dwrimk ivvhwr dovyN v`K r`Kx dI cyStw kIqI geI, ijs qoN SruqI Aqy ismRqI igAwn dIAW do v`KrIAW DwrwvW sQwpq hoeIAW[ij`Qy SruqI igAwn Drm dw swr hY, auQy ismrqI igAwn ausdIAW Dwrimk rhu-rIqIAW nUM ivvsiQq krdw hY[pr pUjw pRDwn Drm hox krky ieMnHW dohW dw AMqr-sMbMD ies pRkwr dw hY, ik SruqI igAwn ausy leI lwBkwrI hY, jo ismrqI Anuswr krm-kWf dw pRiqpwlx krdw hovy[sMgTn dy inXmW Aqy AiDAwqmvwd dI ies rlgfqw kwrn ienHW ivcoN iksy Drm AMdr ivSv Drm hox dIAW sMBwvnwvW nhIN hn, ikauN ju ivSv Drm auho ho skdw hY, jo inAwry rihx-sihx nUM pRvwn kridAW Drm dy AiDAwqm-vwd qy sMgTn dohW nUM spSt qOr qy v`K v`K r`K skdw hovy[ ArQwq ausdy sMgTn dw ikRAwSIl mYNbr bxy, ausdI ruhwnIAq nUM jigAwsU Dwrn kr sky[is`K Drm ivc hI ieh ivSySqw hY, ik iesdI AiDAwqimkqw nUM auh vI mwx skdw hY, ijsny ivDI Anuswr is`K Drm gRihx nW kIqw hovy[ijsdw kwrn ieh hY, ik AiDAwqimkqw dy somy gurU gRMQ swihb ivc is`K sMgTn dw ivDI ivDwn nhIN hY[ gurU gRMQ swihb dw sMdyS mwnv eykqw dw hY, hr p`K qoN ienswnI brwbrI dw hY[ieh srb-sWJI igAwn-sm`grI swihq sMq-jIvn dw inrmwx qW krdI hY, pr sMgTn dy ivkws vwsqy iek piv`qr iksm dw d�Yq Aqy inrml-hayu zrUrI hY[myr-qyr isrjy ibnW jgq ivc rwvx Aqy rwm, kMs qy ikRSn, dyvqy qy rwKS jW mnmu`K qy gurmu`K dI d�Yq sQwpq kIqy ibnW, jIvn ivc sMGrS leI auqSwh nhIN pYdw ho skdw, jo sMgTn dy ivkws dI mu`K zrUrq hY[Awpxy sMgTn dI sRyStqw mMny ibnW sMgTn dI mzbUqI sMBv nhIN ho skdI qy ieh in`j aucqw dUjy sMgTn dy lokW vwsqy pRyrnW sRoq nhIN ho skdI[is`K Drm ivc ij`Qy 'gurU gRMQ' swihb swrI mnu`Kqw nUM iek rUp mMn ky sm-idRStI r`Kx dw aupdyS idMdw hY, auQy 'dsm-gRMQ' mnmu`K qy gurmu`K ivc Byd sQwpq krky mnmu`KW ivru`D inrMqr sMGrS dI pRyrnW idMdw hY-ArQwq gurU gRMQ swihb dI inrol Ad�YqvwdI idRStI nUM dsm-gRMQ sMgTn dI loV vwsqy zrUrI ivvhwrk d�Yqvwd dw ADwr idMdw hY[ies sMbMD ivc 'vwr sRI BgauqI jI kI' dI dUjI pauVI iDAwn dyx Xog hY:_

KMfw pRQmY swij kY ijn sB sYswr aupwieAw]bRhmw ibsnu mhys swij kudriq dw Kylu bxwieAw]isMDu prbq mydnI ibnu QMmw ggn rhwieAw]isrjy dwno dyvqy iqn AMdir bwdu rcwieAw]qY hI durgw swij kY dYqw dw nws krwieAw]qYQo hI blu rwm lY nwl bwxw dhisr GwieAw]qYQo hI blu ikRsn lY kMs kysI pkiV igrwieAw]…

dohW gRMQW ivc iek v`fw AMqr ieh hY, ik gurU gRMQ swihb mnmu`KqweI ivru`D jUJx auqy kyNdRq hY, jdoN ik dsm-gRMQ mnmu`KW ivru`D jUJx auqy bl idMdw hY[gurU gRMQ swihb dI bwxI kwmwid mnmu`KqweIAW jo ienswnIAq dI sWJI sm`isAw hY, aunHW nwl Awqm-bl dw hiQAwr lYky sMGrS krn aupr bl idMdI hY, jdoN ik dsm-gRMQ dIAW rcnwvW kMs Aqy rwvx ijhIAW AwsurI qwkqW nUM iviBMn pRkwr dy sRyST hiQAwrW nwl kucl dyx dI pRyrnW idMdIAW hn[hkIkqn jdoN kwmwid nwl sMGrS krIdw hY, qW kwmwid qoN pRyrq lok-smUh, gurmu`K dw rsqw Aw rokdw hY[bhuqy lok ies g`l auqy sMquSt ho jWdy hn, ik aunHW Awpxy kwmwid auqy kwbU pw ilAw hY, pr ku`J ku`J gurmu`K kwmwid nUM smwijk-ivkRqI mMn ky ausdy smUl nwS vwsqy ausdy pRbl smRQkW nwl jUJx qoN ip`Cy nhIN htdy[srl SbdW ivc ies qrWH ikhw jw skdw hY, ik gurU gRMQ swihb 'sMq' dw inrmwx krdw hY, jdoN ik dovyN gRMQ imlky ausy qrHW 'sMq-ispwhI' dI isrjxw krdy hn, ijvyN hirmMdr swihb Aqy Akwl qKq swihb mIrI pIrI dw[aupr vrixq audwrvwdI ivvsQw dy kwrn ieh g`l bhuq spSt hY, ik is`K Drm nwl sMbMDq hoey lokW dy do vrg hoxy hI sn[iek ruhwnIAq dI sWJ r`Kx vwly qy dUjy aus ruhwnIAq dy AwDwr auqy bxy sWJy sMgTn dy mYNbr[ijhVy lok swfy nwl gurU gRMQ swihb dI ruhwnIAq q`k sihmq hn, auh sihjDwrI hn qy ijhVy gurbwxI dy nwl nwl dsm-gRMQ dI pRyrnW dy AwDwr auqy ruhwnIAq-ivroDI AnsrW nwl do h`Q krn vwsqy BI iqAwr hn, auh AMimRqDwrI Kwlsy hn[ies sMbMDI swfy mnW ivc koeI duic`qI nhIN hoxI cwhIdI, ik Kwlsy dy rUp ivc ivSv-Drm dI klpnw krnI AOrMgzybI soc hY, jdoN ik gurU Gr dI soc inAwry-px ivc eykqw dI hY[sMgTnwqimk rucIAW nUM nwl pRPu`lq krn krky hI dsm-gRMQ dI bwxI AMimRqDwrIAW ivc hI pRc`lq hoeI, sihjDwrIAW ivc nhIN[ies siQqI ivc dsm-gRMQ bwry ies qrHW pRcwr krnw ik ieh bRwhmxvwdI qwkqW nUM bl pRdwn krn vwlw gRMQ hY, pUrI qrWH inrmUl ivcwr hY[jy ieh s`c huMdw qW sihjDwrI dsm-gRMQ pVHdy, jdoN ik AMimRqDwrI kyvl gurU gRMQ swihb"[

is`KI ivc Avqwr pRQw nUM pRcwirAw qW igAw hY, pr siqkwirAw (pUjx-Xog) iblkul nhIN[Avqwr pRQw dw vrnx aunHW dy pUjw pRcwr leI nhIN, sgoN aunHW dw BY lok-mn ivcoN k`F ky aunHW AvqwrW nUM Awm mnu`Kqw dy p`Dr qy Awx ilAw KVHw kIqw hY, Aqy nwl nwl Awpxw AwSw, audyS, mnorQ, gurU swihb jI ny bhuq jgHw spSt kIqw hY[iesy qrWH 'vwirs' ny hIr ilKdy smyN jdoN sihqI dy rWJy nwl jW rWJy dy hIr nwl suAwl juvwb huMdy ilKy hn, byS`k swrI rcnw hY qW vwirs dI, pr iPr BI ikqy ikqy auh 'kvI dw ibAwn' Alihdw ilKx l`gdw hY, jo ik c`l rhy pRsMg qoN iblkul htvW huMdw hY[ieh swihq klw dw iek AMg hY[

quhwfy kihx muqwibk ijhVw (klpink bRwhmx) isvw (klpink pwrvqI) qoN vr mMg irhw hY, kI auh ausdy pqI (iSv jI) bwry jW ausdy gl ivc pwey s`pW, jtwvW, gMgw dw inklnw, DqUry, fmrU, mswx-vwsw, rws lIlw qy Kws krky ayusdI AKOqI mwrn SkqI bwry ku`J nhIN ilKygw?Agr ieh cIzW dw izkr dsm-gRMQ swihb ivc ikqy vI iml jwvy, qW ieh zrUr hI iksy bRwhmx dI rcnw khI jw skdI hY, pr ieh sB ku`J l`Bx dy bwvzUd Aqy A`fI cotI dw zor lwky BI nhIN imldw[srb-smr`Q, qRY kwl-drSI ilKwrI (gurU goibMd isMG jI) 'cMfI cir`qR' ilKx qoN pihlW iesdw vyrvw 'bic`qR nwtk' dI AMqlI cOpeI ivc bVy ivsQwr nwl ilKdy hn, Aqy iDAwn nwl pVHo ik :-

srbkwl hY ipqw hmwrw]dyib kwl kw mwq hmwrw]…srbkwl qb Bey dieAwlw]loh r`C hm ko sB kwlw]…pihly cMfI cirqR bnwXo]nK isK qy kRm BwK sunwXo]ijhVy klpink bRwhmx dw nwm d`sogy, ieh iKAwl r`Kxw ik auh qW sdw hI loh (srbloh=SsqRW) dI r`iCAw dw vrdwn mMgdw hY, ausny Awpxw ipqw srbkwl Aqy mwqw (kwl dw dyv= kwl dw suAwmI= kwl dw mwlk, XwnI pwrbRhm pRmySr) iliKAw hY[ho sky qW Awp iesy cMfI cirqR dIAW qSbIhW (lhU iB`jy k`pVy ijvyN holI KylH rhy hox, loQW ijvyN BMg pIky su`qy hox, murdy ijvyN hvw ny kyilAW nUM fyg id`qw hovy jW qrKwxW ny drKqW nUM v`iFAw hovy Aqy isr dw v`Fxw ijvy GuimAwr ny c`k qoN GVw lwihAw hovy Awid) nUM zrw gOr nwl pVHo, ijhVIAW ik murdw ho cu`kIAW rUhW ivc jwn pwaux dI smr`Qw r`KdIAw hn[kI koeI bRwhmx ies qrHW ilK skdw hY?, ijMnHW ivc 'AihMsw prmo-Drmw' pRDwn hY[

fw. srijMdr isMG jI dI AwigAw pwlx qoN pihlW BI mYN kdy kOm ivc duibDw pwaux dI kucwl nhIN c`lI[gurbwxI dw AiDAYn qy 'is`K rihq mirXwdw' nUM iDAwn ivc r`Kdy hoey 'gurU dw is`K' hox ivc hI mwx mihsUs krdw hW[pMQk jQybMdI nwloN kdy koeI Al`g fmrU nhIN vjwieAw qy nW hI kdy ieh soicAw hY, ik AsIN kOm nUM koeI nvIN syD dyxI hY, sgoN ieh koiSS krdy hW, ik jo ku`J 'gurbwxI dy AwDwr qy swry pMQk msly' h`l krky iliKAw ipAw hY, ausdw pRcwr krIey[

AKIrlI g`l ieh hY, ik dsmyS jI ny isrP ieh iek hI nhIN, sgoN hor hzwrW svYeIey ilKy hn, ijMnHW ivclI SYlI SbdwvlI dI ksv`tI qy lwieAW ieh is`D ho jWdw hY, ik swrI rcnw dsmyS jI dI hY[kihxw bVw sOKw hY, ik BweI gurdws jI dI dsvIN vwr aunHW dI nW hoky sgoN iksy pMifq 'lwCI rwm' dI ilKI hY[BweI gurdws jI dIAW bwkI aunqwlI vwrW nwl Aqy ies dsvIN vwr nUM BI sRI gurU gRMQ swihb jI dI ksv`tI qy priKAw jw cu`kw hY, Aqy ieh BweI gurdws jI dI hI rcnw is`D hY[pr hux jW qW 'lwCI rwm' Aqy 'dyih isvw bru moih' ilKx vwly aus 'klpink bwRhmx' dI koeI hor rcnw jW gRMQ d`so, ausdw nWv, QWv, kwl, ijs nwl qulnw krky priKAw jw sky, jW iPr byPzUl aUl zlUl ilK ky vkq zwieAw krnW krwauxw ikDr dI syvw hY? ieh koeI dwAvw nhIN ik myrw aupr iliKAw hoieAw hI iblkul shI hY, jW jo ku`J dsm-gRMQ swihb bwry myry mn ivc hY, ausnUM pUrI qrHW pyS kr sikAw hovW, ikauNik-'Bulx AMdir sBu ko ABulu gurU krqwru']nwly myrI kI zurAq hY, jo mYN gurU nUM mukMml qOr qy smJx dw dwAvw kr skW[-ijsu nhI buJwvY so ikqu ibiD buJY]pM:892
AmrjIq isMG Kosw

dwrw iSkwgo

100 idn cor dw qy iek idn swD dw , AmrIkw ny PVH hI ilAw s`dwm nUM [ audy isMG is`K AmrIkn PojI dI ShIdI dw mu`l pY igAw s`dwm nUM PVH ky SwbS ey AmrIkn PojIau..

AwklIAw bwry kI d`sw Xwro lokI s`c hI ikhdy ny "AwklI (bwdl, thoVW) Aklo KwlI " iehnW ny pMjwb nUM fob kI C`fxW ey ..

dwrw iSkwgo

gurpRIq isMG Aqy swQI, eIQIEpIAw

Dear Sir,
Dr Baldev Kandola Jee,

Sat Sri Akal to you and 5abi team,

We take this opportunity to wish you all a VERY HAPPY AND prosperous NEW YEAR - 2004.

Gurpreet Singh and all
INDBATT-III(United Nations Mission Ethiopia & Eritrea)
15th SIKH LIGHT INFANTRY

hrpwl isMG (svIfn)

Apxy audyS qoN Btk gey AkwlI - is`MK isDwqW, sMsQwvW, mrXwdw qy SKSIAqw dw ijqnw Gwx ipCly pMj swlW ivc sRI bwdl dI srkwr ny kIqw hY, auh hor iksy srkwr ny nhI kIqw[ - hrbIr isMG BMvr

hrbIr isMG BMvr dw lyK ? Apxy audyS qoN Btk gey AkwlI? piVAw[ lyKk ny sohxy FMg nwl d``sx dI koiSS kIqI hY ik AkwlI dI hONd iks qrW hoeI Aqy iehnW ny Suru iv``c iks qrW cMgy kMm kIqy[

A``j jo kuJ ho irhw hY sB dy swhmxy hY[ ieh dyK sux ky du``K huMdw hY ik Ajy vI keI lok iehnW mgrm``CW dy ip``Cy hn[ ieh auh mgrm``C hn ijhnW ny lokW dy kroNVw rupey Kw ky vI Fkwr nhI mwirAw[ iehnW dI bdolq pMjwb iv``c grIbI Aqy byrojgwrI hor vDI hY[

jy hux koeI iehnW nUM kIqy dI sjw dyx dy h``k iv``c hY qW keI lok auhnw dw f``t ky ivroD krdy hn[ mYN smJdw hW ik jW qW auh mgrm``CW dI tolI dy hn jW AiqAMq hI Dwrimk ivcWrw dy hn jW ividAw dI kmI hY[

hrpwl isMG (svIfn)

gurjIq prUQI

Apxy audyS qoN Btk gey AkwlI - is`MK isDwqW, sMsQwvW, mrXwdw qy SKSIAqw dw ijqnw Gwx ipCly pMj swlW ivc sRI bwdl dI srkwr ny kIqw hY, auh hor iksy srkwr ny nhI kIqw[ - hrbIr isMG BMvr

Harbir Singh Bhanwar's article "Akalis......." is not only informatory but also heart throbing for all the religious sikhs who love Panth and have love for 'Akalidal".Those were the days when Akalis and Akali Dal had a respect from everybody in Punjab and all over the world.Today, Akalidals(too many to mention) are working for their own political benefits.There was a time when being an Akali was a pride and always was looked upon with respect. Today the Akali word is a shame.At one time Akali meant "Akal purkh ki fauj" but today akalis mean bunch of crooks and power hungry people.I have only one question which pops up in my mind many times.And that is Who gave Mr. Parkash Singh Badal the power or authority to name after him as "Badal Akali Dal." and who gave the same power to Simranjit Singh Mann to call himself the head of "Akali Dal Amritsar." Akali dal is a Akali dal, no Badal or Amritsar.I would like to know about the people who gave them these 'titles' and power to do anything they want and to call themselves the heads of these "Akalidals".

ruipMdr iF`loN, nwrvy

HELLO,
Sat sri akal to all readers of www.5abi.com. The conditions are changing dramiciatly in punjab from last few months. i think may reason is unemployment in punjab is increasing and desperate youths are choosing way of robbery and killing to gain money at once, this is not good for punjab , raab kara kalia hawawa PUNJAB ch phir na wagn.
from
RUPINDER DHILLON "MOGA" NORWAY

rUp is~DU

AYnwhweIm istI dy kimSnr s. hYrI is`DU, cyArmYn inXukq

"vwh jI vwh"

ieh Kbr suxky smu~cy pMjwbI jgq dw isr PKr nwl au~cw hoieAw hY

swry pMjwbIAW vloN hrIS is~DU, auhnW dy ipqw igAwnI jI swihb Aqy swry pRIvwr nUM hwridk vDwieAW.

rUp is~DU

fw: srijMdr isMG, XU ky

dyih iSvw br moih - iSv, XwnI cyqn-pRBU, pRmwqmW Xw Akwl-purK, Aqy skqI, XwnI jVH, isRStI Xw mwieAw dw vrnx gurbwxI ivc ... - AmrjIq isMG Kosw

Mr Khosa ji

The word in the line "Deh Siva ...." is "Siva" not "Siv". The line is in "Chandi Charitar Ukat Bilas" and the word occurs many times in this composition and refers to "Chandi" or "Durga" as wife of "Siv" and hence the female gender name "Siva". You should not mislead readers to say that Siva is to be understood to be same as Akal Purkh.

Regarding the authorship of text of parts of Dasam Granth which contain the stanzas "Deh Siva Var mohi ihe... . . .joojh maraun" here is the relevant part of what late Daljit Singh ji of Institute of Sikh Studies Chandigarh had to say on this issue:

"DEVI AND AVTAR WORSHIP IN THE DASAM GRANTH

Dr Jaggi has made a detailed examination of the issue. He finds that except for about 70 pages of the Dasam Granth, including Jap Sahib, Swayyas, Akal Ustat (excluding hymns in praise of Durga), Asphotak Chhand and Zaffarnama, the other contents which involve worship of avtars, devis and mahakal are mostly from the Puranic literature. Following are some instances of devi worship. (For details see chapter 9 of Jaggi?s book).

(i) Tribhangi Chhands (201-220, In Akal Ustat) are clearly in praise of the devi.

(ii) In Shashtarnama in the beginning there is a whole chapter (27 chhands) in praise of the devi.

(iii) Chandi Charitar I & II, Chaubis Avtar, Rudra Avtar including parts of Charitropakhyan, all relate to the Puranic myths that are in praise of the devi and avtars.

(iv) Similarly, in the above Puranic stories there are numerous hymns in praise of Maha Kal, who is a Tantric or Sakat deity, pages 55, 56, 57, 58, 73, 156, 157, 183, 185, 254, 310, 612, 613, 642, etc.

(v) Worship of devi under the name of Kalika, Chandi, Siva or Durga is found at pages 74, 76, 99, 117, 255, 118, 309, 310, 116, 673, 675, etc., etc.

(vi) Apart from the Var of Durga, there is the entire Puranic story of the devi coming to the rescue of the mythical Indra and fighting battles with demon Maikhasur, involving trillions of soldiers (devi worship chhands and narration of the myth).

(vii) In Chandi Charitar Ukat Bilas the author mentions that he has virtually made the composition from 700 slokas of Markand Purana. He adds that whoever hears or recites the same for any specific boon, the devi would certainly grant it instantaneously (Chandi Charitar, Ukat Bilas - sloka 232).

(viii) In Chandi Charitar II in the sloka 261 the author writes that whoever remembers or worships the devi with devotion, shall attain salvation. Similarly, in the Durga Var the author writes that whoever recites the same, will achieve salvation and not be born again (stanza or pauri - 55).

(ix) Whether it is Rama Avtar, Parasnath Avtar, Krishna Avtar, Brahma Avtar, or the other Puranic stories, these all relate to the worship to the devi and avtars.

(x) Charitropakhyan, too, involves worship of the devi and Kal or Maha Kal (charitra 405, chhands 52, 77, 126 and 132). The very facts that no Sikh is willing to read it in the presence of women or the sangat, and that the S.G.P.C. has called it a Puranic myth and not work of the Tenth Guru, show that it is no longer considered a part of the Dasam Granth.

The above few instances prove that, apart from the about 70 pages or so, the writings in the Dasam Granth positively accept and involve devi and avtar worship. Accordingly, these writings (Chandi Charitra and Chandi Di Var - 126 pages, Chaubis Avtar - 744 pages, Brahm Rudra Avtar - 383 pages, Charitropakhyan and Hikayat - 923 pages) are opposed to the doctrines of the Gurus and Guru Granth Sahib."

The sabad "Deh Siva..." is in the composition Chandi Charitar Ukat Bilas. This Sabad is not a disticnt piece like the sabads in SGGS but is in the middle of a continuing euology to goddess. Before this piece and after this piece the word Siva appears several times and leaves no doubt as to who siva is. She is none other than goddess Chandi or Durga. In linguistic terms also Siva is derived from Siv therby meaning Siva is a lady who is the consort of Siv. And Durga, Chandi, Gauri, Parvati,and Kali in Hindu mythology are the names of the consort of Siv

How did this piece came to be so popular recently?

Before 1970, the SGPC never allowed any dramatist, or film-maker to use Sikh ideas to be the subject of their productions lest they distort them. However, in early seventies a Hindu film-maker named Ramesh Bhakhri manipulated the SGPC to accept his plan to make a film called "Nanak Naam Jahaz Hai". Before that he used to make the usual silly and raunchy Punjabi films. In the above film he did not reproduce any historical incident from the glorious Khalsa past but simply the usual suprstitions about the Jot (the flame of the lamp) in Harimandir bringing back the eyesight of a blind person. Remember, Guru ji never asked us to believe in Jot, Pooja, Archa, Aarti etc., but this was what was shown in the name of Guru Nanak.

Above all, a parade of Sikh students was shown marching in Khalsa College Amritsar ground and singing the piece "Deh Siva Var mohi ihe..". The tune that we now hear in the Gurudwaras and at the inauguration of Sikh functions is the very tune used in the film. This tune has become more or less a national anthem for the Khalsa.

Thus, a Hindu film-maker, very cleverly earned lot of money and made fool of the entire Sikh community to accept singing the praises of Hindu goddess Siva.

If this can happen in late twentieth century, one can imagin how easily the Dasam Granth could be smuggled into the Sikh scriptures.

Dr Serjinder Singh
UK

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HELLO, SAT SRI AKAL TO ALL VIEWERS,
S. balwant singh ramu walia is great leader and really he had done very good jobb for punjabis some reside abroad and also for boys some war looted and cheated by KABOTAR BAAJ AGENT and last they were thrown in foreign jails , and his new rally for refugees is really appreciate movement and we all punjabies must support him , i think so,
kaash sada mulk wich har leader ramuwalia baan java.
RUPINDER DHILLON MOGA(NORWAY)

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We pray to almighty GOD for your success and admire your corrage for your efforts to bring these issues in the air.

This is not only issue. There are many issues we can not do much. I am building my house in Punjab. about two months ago I sent some Money to a Bank in to a bank Account by telegraphic transfer. The Bank manager telling them I now this but we have not recieved the money yet. It cost me about 30 Australian Dollers to send by telegraphic transfer. The money should be there next day. is there any banking Ombudsman we can comlain or write to them or how we can write to the media. then they can bring this up. I am not the only one there are many like me suffering from the banking cruilty. I believe they lend my money for two or three months to some one get the intrest. They put in to there own pocket or they are instructed to do so by the bank. Hope you can inform this to the media for us.

Thanking you

Amrik

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PRESIDENT BUSH A DREAMER.

Adolph Hitler in his autobiography has a beautiful statement :" if you want to become a great HERO you need to create a war." Without war heroes are not created; that is true. have you ever heard about any hero without a war ? We in this century call it imperialist war against will of people.

War in Iraq is naked aggression, this is against all the norms of international morality and legality. This western imperialism is unacceptable to the world.What message is President Bush giving to the world that might is right.Destruction of Iraq with heavy bomb,cruise missiles and smart bomb, in to a primitive age.This is a crime against humanity, and world opinion.

The old, the sick, poor workers, children's and women have been killed by this American imperialism , in Korea, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam.But in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia American Imperialism were badly defeated by heroic revolutionary peoples war, and Americans left that country with bleeding nose. You can't impose your own law and own brand democracy to whole world. It is neo colonialism. To control Arab oils, world means of productions and distribution by guns.

Innocent people were dying under the evil dictatorship of Saddam Hussain too, without democracy and social justice. President Bush is killing peoples of IRAQ on the name of Democracy by force against the will of Iraqi people, is it fair?The United states, is the principal financier and Armour of the butcher regime in Pakistan far more than 50 years. Pakistan always rules by Army Dictator. But Americans were silent due to willing satellite of America.IS THERE DEMOCRACY IN PAKISTAN ?

It was Albert Einstein who wrote a letter to President Roosevelt that I am ready to help make the atomic bomb which can prevent the war immediately.. Albert Einstein was not creating the atom bomb to destroy any body, just the threat would have been enough, that America has an atom bomb, then it is better to surrender, otherwise the death of millions of people will be the result. Germany surrendered , Japan was considering the fact.. Japan was going to surrender the same week, but the American politicians.... Roosevelt was no longer president; Truman was president. he was in a hurry to drop the atomic bomb ON HIROSHIMA and NAGASAKI. Truman was desperate to use the atomic bomb, his correspondence with Einstein proved that he wants to TEST the atom bomb, he destroyed those two cities and killed thousand innocent people of Japan just for test purpose.If Japan surrender , then there were no possibilities in the near future to test the bombs to see what they can do. how many people can be killed within minutes ? American Imperialism is testing there arms on poor and innocent peoples of the world, if they don't test them millions American will be unemployed and shares of arms industries not only will be down but bankrupt.only world opinion, peoples revolutionary struggles like VIETNAMESE can stop American crime against humanity .

Alexandra said, his teacher , Aristotle , in Greece, has asked me , to bring back one Indian Sanyasi for him. He found a sannayasin , he was naked standing on the bank of the river. Alexandra declared I am Alexandra the GREAT. Sannayasi started laughing and said , I have never seen a stupid man as you are, calling yourself the great. Only those who are not great think,imagine and desire , proclaim their greatness.But those who are great don't even know that they are great. GREATNESS is in innocence. And what have you come to me for?

Sannayasin said to Alexandra and laughed again, Just go tell your so-called teacher that the sannayasin has nothing except himself- and your teacher himself also has that being . There is no need to bring it, to import it from somewhere. Just tell him to be silent and desireless, peaceful, looking inwards, and he will find me.

Alexandra was shaken , this naked man had a such strong being, such an aura and presence. and the way he told him " You are stupid and you are still suffering from inferiority, hence you are called yourself Great Alexandra.

Even president Bush is suffering from inferiority complex because he is dreaming to conquered this world against the will of world masses. Iqbal says in his poem.

YE ILLAM, YE HIKMAT, YE TADABBAR, YE HAKUMAT
PEETE HAING LAHOO, DETE HAING TAHLEEM MUSAWAAT.

TOO KADAR WA AADIL MAGAR TERE JAHAAN MENG
HAING TALAKH BOHUT BANDAH MAZDOOR KE OAKAAT

KAAB DUBEGA SARMAYA PARASTI KA SAFEENA
DUNIYA HAI TERI MANTZIR ROZE MAKAFAT.

Jai Hind
T.S.Pabla.U.K.

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Jagroop Singh Mann's article Duaba in u.k.

Very nice article. Most of it is true, I recently returned from Punjab and saw youth wandering around without any work. If there were any jobs, they are more than willing to do it. I talked to so many young people.
It's sad to see them every day, all ready and no where to go
Regards
Mrs Gill

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Hi
I've read on this page in the article "Deh Shiva Var mohe ehhe" written by Amarjit Singh Khosa who says that guru Gobind singhji was not referring shiva ( hindu god). if its not shiva ( hindu god) and its the devine form which is not seen then why would babaji refer him as shiva and not by some other name. i've heard by many sikh scholars that ram naam and hari naam which appears in almost every page of our shabads and gurbani is not ram and hari( hindu gods) which seems very misleading and some sort of division creating thought just to deny that our religion is not from hindu dharm which actually was and our gods( 10 gurus ) meant to say not to worship forms of god( ram, hari , shiv and many more ) but to worship the devine source which actually sends these forms in each yug to perform certain duties and guru GOBIND singhji also was preaching the people who came into sikh religion from hindu religion that to not worship him as he 2 was messenger of god( as said by ram , hari not to worship them). our Guru saw that pandits and currupt people in the name of god were making fool of innocent people. he did'nt want the same to happen in our religion. But its a sorry state that in our religion 2 sikhs have forgotten the preachings and in the name of tappad and chairs have created division just to gain power.

kindly explain if u don't agree with what i feel as this is what i have known after listening to various religions.